[JDX--]

Boy you get around any 3D course and everyone has their opinion on how to judge, most of the times you hear that you need to shoot more events to get better. That’s probably true if you have a good idea on what methods to train with.


Some of the methods that are acceptable and legal when competing that I have been exposed to are the following.


Most folks will walk around in a wood a so forth picking out stumps, trees whatever they can find judge it and compare with a good quality laser. Great intro training!

A lot of folks will find where a 20 yard mark is and then either add 10 yard or 20 yard increments on to their 20.

Randy Ulmer always used to picture a 20 yard telephone pole lying on the ground and then he would picture flipping it over and over to the target.

Some folks will find the half way point and then double the distance to come close.

All of these methods work well but as you get into the games where they are using longer stakes and so forth trying to use the ground becomes a barrier at times and optical illusions take place.

There will be many times where the ground surface disappears between you and the target you will have drop offs deep valleys and or uphill humps that will keep you from getting any type of detail from the ground or cause a tunnel vision affect.



When one gets to this level the 2 most common ways of mastering the game are

Training yourself to judge the surface of the animal and not the animal type itself or the ground, you will walk up to the stake and glance at the body of the target your mind calculates a distant and most of the time it instantaneous and the you can double check yourself with the other methods if needed, this method works well because you are training judging off of a surface not size, or ground layouts you will be able to get a feel of what the tree next to the target is if the animal is somewhat hidden. All you need is a good visual and you get your signal, some folks refer to this as an instant gut feeling.


The best of the best 3Ders all have every animal that they will be judging, that’s a complete set of all targets, they will have them all setup and they will memorize the body size and detail changes on a given animal at the various distances. That meaning they know by memory that the mountain lion for example is a certain size at 35 versus 40 and that maybe the eye or a mark in the shoulder disappears at a certain yardage. Every animal is memorized in detail as to the changes from one yard to the next. They judge detail changes in the target and have them memorized.


Her again they are not studying the ground or yardages but strictly the detail of the target.


Yardage judging through progression in your 3D classes

I hope this helps folks
Good Shooting!

[bullfiddle]

Originally Posted by JDX--

Boy you get around any 3D course and everyone has their opinion on how to judge, most of the times you hear that you need to shoot more events to get better. That’s probably true if you have a good idea on what methods to train with.


Some of the methods that are acceptable and legal when competing that I have been exposed to are the following.


Most folks will walk around in a wood a so forth picking out stumps, trees whatever they can find judge it and compare with a good quality laser. Great intro training!

A lot of folks will find where a 20 yard mark is and then either add 10 yard or 20 yard increments on to their 20.

Randy Ulmer always used to picture a 20 yard telephone pole lying on the ground and then he would picture flipping it over and over to the target.

Some folks will find the half way point and then double the distance to come close.

All of these methods work well but as you get into the games where they are using longer stakes and so forth trying to use the ground becomes a barrier at times and optical illusions take place.

There will be many times where the ground surface disappears between you and the target you will have drop offs deep valleys and or uphill humps that will keep you from getting any type of detail from the ground or cause a tunnel vision affect.



When one gets to this level the 2 most common ways of mastering the game are

Training yourself to judge the surface of the animal and not the animal type itself or the ground, you will walk up to the stake and glance at the body of the target your mind calculates a distant and most of the time it instantaneous and the you can double check yourself with the other methods if needed, this method works well because you are training judging off of a surface not size, or ground layouts you will be able to get a feel of what the tree next to the target is if the animal is somewhat hidden. All you need is a good visual and you get your signal, some folks refer to this as an instant gut feeling.


The best of the best 3Ders all have every animal that they will be judging, that’s a complete set of all targets, they will have them all setup and they will memorize the body size and detail changes on a given animal at the various distances. That meaning they know by memory that the mountain lion for example is a certain size at 35 versus 40 and that maybe the eye or a mark in the shoulder disappears at a certain yardage. Every animal is memorized in detail as to the changes from one yard to the next. They judge detail changes in the target and have them memorized.


Her again they are not studying the ground or yardages but strictly the detail of the target.


Yardage judging through progression in your 3D classes

I hope this helps folks
Good Shooting!

Great article as usual JDX-- I had never heard of judging the target face before till I read this and it does make sense when you think about it. I guess I have some training to do... Man just when ya think ya got something all figured out it all changes...

[Pinwheel1969]

Originally Posted by JDX--

Boy you get around any 3D course and everyone has their opinion on how to judge, most of the times you hear that you need to shoot more events to get better. That’s probably true if you have a good idea on what methods to train with.


Some of the methods that are acceptable and legal when competing that I have been exposed to are the following.


Most folks will walk around in a wood a so forth picking out stumps, trees whatever they can find judge it and compare with a good quality laser. Great intro training!

A lot of folks will find where a 20 yard mark is and then either add 10 yard or 20 yard increments on to their 20.

Randy Ulmer always used to picture a 20 yard telephone pole lying on the ground and then he would picture flipping it over and over to the target.

Some folks will find the half way point and then double the distance to come close.

All of these methods work well but as you get into the games where they are using longer stakes and so forth trying to use the ground becomes a barrier at times and optical illusions take place.

There will be many times where the ground surface disappears between you and the target you will have drop offs deep valleys and or uphill humps that will keep you from getting any type of detail from the ground or cause a tunnel vision affect.



When one gets to this level the 2 most common ways of mastering the game are

Training yourself to judge the surface of the animal and not the animal type itself or the ground, you will walk up to the stake and glance at the body of the target your mind calculates a distant and most of the time it instantaneous and the you can double check yourself with the other methods if needed, this method works well because you are training judging off of a surface not size, or ground layouts you will be able to get a feel of what the tree next to the target is if the animal is somewhat hidden. All you need is a good visual and you get your signal, some folks refer to this as an instant gut feeling.


The best of the best 3Ders all have every animal that they will be judging, that’s a complete set of all targets, they will have them all setup and they will memorize the body size and detail changes on a given animal at the various distances. That meaning they know by memory that the mountain lion for example is a certain size at 35 versus 40 and that maybe the eye or a mark in the shoulder disappears at a certain yardage. Every animal is memorized in detail as to the changes from one yard to the next. They judge detail changes in the target and have them memorized.


Her again they are not studying the ground or yardages but strictly the detail of the target.


Yardage judging through progression in your 3D classes

I hope this helps folks
Good Shooting!

Levi Morgan and Nathan Brookes use this method. It takes alot.....alot...alot of free time and dedication to memorize each mekenzie target used on the pro-am tour at each yardage. Though it does seem to be the best way to go. I tried it alittle a few years ago at the local qualiers. Is very tough due to not each club uses same targets. Some have alot of medium to small and some use mostly medium and a few small targets. Which you dont get the small 3d targets or even alot of the medium ones on the pro-am tour. You would have to do as they do and buy your own targets to practice on which ya know is very expensive. I am going to try this method a bit more this year to use for next. I do feel its the best way to judge if you can master it.... I did use for awhile a method a mathewspro taught me that increase my score the first month by at least 10 points right off the bat. Do what most do and judge out to 20 yds. Then go from the target back to you and judge 10 yds. Then judge what left over. Sounds a bit confusing but the judging ten yds from the target worked very well. Its easier to judge 10 yds. when from the target. usually you have 10 yds or less in what difference. once you get used to it. Works very well. But I want to be able to judge down to a half a yard. Like when I shot at the ASA team shoot. I shot with Jeff Hopkins and he was able to judge every target down to a half a yard. Which was amazing seeing how it was my first year shooting 3d...... never see any one be able to do that... good luck

[poorman]

Thanks for the help Jeff! I try to do it in 10 yard increments and go from there. But then again I dont shoot that much 3D.

[BUNNY]

and then of course you have the guys like me, who's eye sight seems to get worse and worse all the while......what then huh?

[dodgensince74]

Originally Posted by BUNNY

and then of course you have the guys like me, who's eye sight seems to get worse and worse all the while......what then huh?

there seems to be alot of us around like that

[BowhuntnHoosier]

NOW WHERE THE HECK HAS THAT HEEG GUY BEEN LATELY?????

[BUNNY]

Originally Posted by BowhuntnHoosier

NOW WHERE THE HECK HAS THAT HEEG GUY BEEN LATELY?????

Hiding from you....

[vsa]

Jeff is tied up with his job right now. He has no time for anything not even shooting his bow and that is not sitting vary well with him.